Thursday, April 19, 2012
Revolutionary Era Discussion Question 3
The Revolutionary Era was a time of challenging traditional beliefs. How did you as an artist use conflict and/or cooperation to extend your creative process? What ways did you attempt to go beyond the standards of living that were in place prior to the Revolutionary Era?
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Before the revolution, many different people were not allowed to do many things. Women were not allowed to do anything except stay at home and care for their children. Peasants were only to work and give back to their kings. During the revolution, things were a lot different. The peasants were killing people they thought were bad. That included rich people and everyone they were associated with. I knew about this but I kept working. I used there hatred and it made me a better actress. If we were somewhat famous or rich, we would have to run and hide in fear that those rebels would kill us. But I kept acting. The conflict of the revolution was not really concerning me, but it was around me. i had to use other peoples conflict to push me to the top.
ReplyDeleteAs Ms.Lange had said times where different before the revolution. As I child before the revolution I grew up in poor family and had lost my father. I was one that was not effected to much by it but the actions around me gave me inspiration. Once I started playing piano and writing music the revolution inspired me to write patriotic pieces.
ReplyDeleteIndeed M. Billings. I used what was happining around me, reffering to the revolution, as Inspiration as well. The Revolution had led me to also write patriotic oieces, and pieces that would fit the emotion of people during the revolution. I had been honored to write scores to honor Napoleon’s victory at the battle of Marengo and the fall of the Bastille. So I used what was happining around me, my own feelings about it, as well as others, and created beautiful music.
ReplyDeleteWell prior to revolutions taking place all over the world women were not allowed on the english stage. Until 1660 all female roles were played by young boys. When I started on the stage in 1728 it had not even been 100 years since women first started on the stage. In that respect I consider myself a revolutionary actress.
ReplyDeleteWell hello Kitty dear! For those of you who don't know, Kitty and I worked together closely for many years. I, like Kitty, consider myself to be a revolutionary actress. Before my time in theatre, women were not allowed on stage at all. And if they were, women were portrayed as sexual, vulnerable objects that were either being prayed upon or saved. When Kitty and I came into theatre, we were real actresses with true talent. Also, Ms. Andreadis, this was indeed a time of challenging traditional views. Rationalism in theatre changed from having faith in God, to having faith in man. Which of course was quite contraversial. Now while the conflict did not hurt or help my career, it definately affected the style of acting I was requested to perform.
ReplyDeleteHello Hannah I am so glad to have you here! I for one am appaled at the way women in my time were portrayed on stage in my time and I am glad that I could challenge those barriers with you. In my time as an actress I did perform some plays in the rationalism style of theater and like Hannnah it did not really affect my career.
ReplyDeleteI do not really have any knowledge on acting, unless opera counts..? If it makes any difference from a musicians point of view, I do belive that it was truly appalling the way that you very fine women artists were treated on stage. I am glad that it finally has changed!
ReplyDeleteI appreciate, as I am sure Kitty does as well, that you feel that way. Many men at the time thought the very opposite so thank you very much for your respect for our genuine talent and love for our art.
DeleteHannah is right I do appreciate your kind words like she said not many men felt that way. Also I would consider opera a form of theatre I took part in lots of opera.
DeleteI am similar to you Ms Kitty but instead of acting, I am a dancer. During this time there was a very little amount of female dancers. Dancing was only allowed to males because they thought it was a manly art. Which is not true it was a feminine thing. So when i started dancing it was very new because of the old ways of males always playing role such as acting and music composers also. Male dancers are still fond of today but females do get a bit of the action to share.
ReplyDeleteThat is very interesting, Ms. Grisi, to here that dancing was originally for men. For when I think of ballet now, I think of women on point shoes with extravagent tutus and then the men offering the assistance to the women for lifts and turns. I am pleased to hear things have changed to allow women in your art to be a significant role due to their true talent. I can most definately relate to you in that aspect.
ReplyDeleteYes, Ms Pritchard that is true the men are used to assist us lovely females. But they are pushed just as hard for their solo parts in dances. I am also glad that females in acting has changed in favor of you.
ReplyDeleteMs. Grisi it is very nice to see that other women in other art forms were fighting the same fight me and Hannah were fighting. In our time women were treated as objects and I am sure you are just as happy as I am to see things have changed in all art forms for women.
ReplyDeleteYes, Kitty im sure most woman of our time would agree that we all went through the same thing in are art. Woman are very important to the process of making art and in society in general. Its a shame men did not realize that before! Oh what good use are they huh? Im very proud of our evolved society!
ReplyDeleteMy work definitely shows my political radicalism. I wrote of many social issues of the time in my novels and plays. I wrote a play called The Massacre. It was about the recent French Revolution. I quickly destroyed it because I did not want to get involved in any political drama. And indeed I was smart about that. I knew when I went too far and i stopped myself for my own good.
ReplyDeleteMy work also showed my political perspective as an "not wanting to be a part of it" that is why I made my dances as if it was a different world. So people could come and forget what was really happening.
DeleteI love that philosophy. That is a great way to use our art.
DeleteWell I couldn't find the salad successfully, and well I could not help but hear you Ms. Inchbald. I was just wondering, shouldn't someone always express their art no matter what? To me art is a way to express myself no matter what, you might have infuenced people greatly with that book. I am just wondering, how many books have you destroyed?
DeleteWell pardon me but who are you to judge my decisions? I put that book down for the safety of my career. I was smart enough not to get involved with that kind of stuff. A lot of topics during the revolution were very sensitive to some people and I was cautious of that fact. I suggest that you keep looking for the salad and keep out of other peoples conversations, thank you.
DeleteI have to go please excuse me. p.s. I think that you made an intellegent move.
DeleteYou all seem to handle conflict with such grace and poise! Do you feel that being cooperative gave you a better chance to be accepted into the arts community? Laurel Thatcher Ulrich once said "Well behaved women rarely make history". Do you think this is true?
ReplyDeleteDuring the revolution I believe you should have been cooperative not only to be accepted in arts but just if you didn't want your head cut off! Well... You all know dance is a discipline and I am that kind of disciplined person, I am not much of a rebel. Laurel's quote might be true, those women might have made their history but I assure you they were punished for it. So is that really what you want? I do not think so.
DeleteWell I have always had the urge to cross barriers and break rules but I am afraid that is very idiotic in some circumstances. I did not want to put my career at risk to get my opinion out there so I kept lots of my thoughts inside for the sake of my career's safety.
DeleteWell behaved women were treated with more respect than the feisty one with a bad temper. But I do like a woman who can speak up. Passive and passive aggressive women are pushed around and used. But women who know when to speak up and are cooperative are the ones that are still around and famous.
DeleteBeing cooperative gets way more work done! Acceptance is important to all artist i believe and to be shot down is a terrible feeling, but we have all felt that way. Being accepting of eachother would have helped us artist grow closer as artist and citizens. Unfortunately that was not the case us artist hardly connect to each other about anything else but are arts.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Ms.Grisi being cooperative does get a lot more work done. Being against it is a pointless task that acquires extra work. To add my input on the "Well behaved women rarely make history" quote, I believe the arts do contain well behaved women. They may not be commonly known as other women in historic events but they are known in well in their art.
ReplyDeleteSorry I have been absent lately ladies and gentlemen, but to the earlier conversation as a play write I did not base any of my plays off of the revolution because I wanted no involvement in this political drama. Same reason that Madam Inchbald didn't. But I do believe that the theater has changed from before the revolution... It is more focused on everyday situations that people got through sometimes rather than religion based plays. Plays before were about gods, history, and about the world in general. I like the new style though, I would say it's more entertaining!
ReplyDeleteI think being cooperative does give you a better chance to be accepted. Everyone wants to be, am I right? If you're not accepted then how are you going to make a living off of your art? There is one thing you have to consider, and that is, do you want to fly solo, or get help and ideas from other artists. I for one, think that we fellow artists need to come together more and help the world of arts take its stand! That way we can express ourselves and be heard!
ReplyDeleteYea. I also agree with the previous comments. If you want to be accepted, you have to be cooperative. But... If you want things done, you have to fight for what you think is right. If you always go with what everyone thinks is right, and you are always cooperative, you ideas will always be over looked and not recognized. And you, as an artist will never be recognized.
ReplyDeleteOn the well behave woman not being known comment, I absolutely disagree with that! Im sure Ms Lange and I were very behaved when doing are arts. Sure woman who put themselves out there in a drastic way may be known for that but who wants to e remembered by reckless behavior? Not me.
ReplyDeleteYes I agree with you. I was quite behaved. But... I was not reckless. I just spoke and did what I thought was right.
DeleteBefore the Revolution, only selected plays were allowed to be performed. As an actor it is hard because you only have a limited number of types of characters to play. As for your recent question Ms. Andreadis, I do believe that being cooperative will give you a better chance of being accepted into the arts community. But even though i beleive that, i obviously didn't cooperate.
ReplyDeleteAs an artist, how would you feel if not being cooperative made you lose your place/job in the arts?
ReplyDeleteI am very cooperative so that would never happened to my (laughs)
DeleteI would feel very upset but I haven't been cooperative and I'm still in my job so.... I guess I am an exception.
DeleteI would fell very upset, but I would go somewhere I was accepted for what I believed in. Now, I'm not saying I never act cooperative but, as a woman in theatre, you can't let people walk all over you.
DeleteOnce again as said in Question 2, I would be very angry! I don't think that would happen though. Most artists don't even cooperate, they just do their own thing. There is a downfall to cooperating. You see, when you cooperate you often don't think about what you truly believe, rather about what the other person's beliefs are. When you work yourself, you can express yourself through your art more and not be concerned about what other artists feelings.
ReplyDeleteI have to agree with you Mr.Marivaux. Can I call you Pierre? Anyway there is a downfall to cooperating. You get looked over and to be honest, no one likes someone who doesn't speak up and is passive.
DeleteI used conflict to make my choreographies totally different from it. It made my expand my creative process because I rejected the old ways and started doing totally different things. That is how the Romantic Ballet was born. Prior the Revolutionary era, well like most of you said there were a bunch of prohibitions. How did I attempt to go beyond them? well... I think I did not pay much attention to the prohibitions as I paid attention to dance.
ReplyDeleteConflict is a scary thing in an era of revolution because the leaders of the society become so afraid of being over thrown that they crack down at any hint of rebellion. So Ms. Andreadis I do have to say that a well behaved woman would have been celebrated and would have gone far. Even though I had a temper I would have been to fearful to spark any rebellion but being a woman no one would have listened to me anyway.
ReplyDeleteI agree Ms. Clive. Women had a bigger chance of being thrown from there job if they weren't cooperative. Women weren't accepted in the acting, so when they were, they were being watched and any wrong look or bad thing out of their mouth could cause them to be kicked out. Men can do whatever they want, and if they are talented, can get away with it like myself. It isn't fair but that's the way it is.
DeleteI agree Mr. Marivaux. When most people try to cooperate they are doing it just to fit in. If someone truly has a different a opinion then they should stick with it even with a consocuince.
ReplyDeleteHey Pierre! I was wondering about when you commented at my dinner table what was your "big obstacle"
ReplyDeleteWell Mr.Dede nice to talk to you again. Not only did my wife die, but shortly after, I had lost all my inheritance money from investing in the Mississippi scheme...
ReplyDeleteThats terrible! You sure did have it hard
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